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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by citizenschallenge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 02:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*sunspot numbers... that is &quot;expert societies&quot; that have addressed this issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sunspot numbers&#8230; that is &#8220;expert societies&#8221; that have addressed this issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by citizenschallenge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 02:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Panburn wrote: &quot;No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 24.67 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001.&quot;
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CC:   I believe you have a lab-bench mentality and don&#039;t grasp the complexity or our Global Heat Distribution Engine.  Why do you ignore our oceans?

http://skepticalscience.com/new-research-confirms-global-warming-has-accelerated.html
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OK LETS LOOK AT YOUR LINK

Panburn wrote: &quot; The above equation that elicited Greenfyre’s sarcasm has been refined. The refined version, can be seen at http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html .
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Wednesday, May 8, 2013
Natural Climate Change has been Hiding in Plain Sight
===============================================
comments on three main points:

Ocean oscillations push heat around our globe, &gt;&gt;&gt; they do not produce heat.

&quot;Sunspot numbers&quot; - now there&#039;s a red flag
Dan&#039;s claim is disputed by every expert society I can think of.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide &quot;Added increments of CO2 and other ghgs exhibit a logarithmic decline in their influence on AGT.&quot;

I&#039;m no expert, but here again, every expert resource I&#039;ve looked at says that your above claim is false - for a number of reasons, - in part - having to do with our atmosphere being a real three dimensional entity with air masses in constant motion, etc..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panburn wrote: &#8220;No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 24.67 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001.&#8221;<br />
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CC:   I believe you have a lab-bench mentality and don&#8217;t grasp the complexity or our Global Heat Distribution Engine.  Why do you ignore our oceans?</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticalscience.com/new-research-confirms-global-warming-has-accelerated.html" rel="nofollow">http://skepticalscience.com/new-research-confirms-global-warming-has-accelerated.html</a><br />
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OK LETS LOOK AT YOUR LINK</p>
<p>Panburn wrote: &#8221; The above equation that elicited Greenfyre’s sarcasm has been refined. The refined version, can be seen at <a href="http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html" rel="nofollow">http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html</a> .<br />
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Wednesday, May 8, 2013<br />
Natural Climate Change has been Hiding in Plain Sight<br />
===============================================<br />
comments on three main points:</p>
<p>Ocean oscillations push heat around our globe, &gt;&gt;&gt; they do not produce heat.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sunspot numbers&#8221; &#8211; now there&#8217;s a red flag<br />
Dan&#8217;s claim is disputed by every expert society I can think of.</p>
<p>Atmospheric carbon dioxide &#8220;Added increments of CO2 and other ghgs exhibit a logarithmic decline in their influence on AGT.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert, but here again, every expert resource I&#8217;ve looked at says that your above claim is false &#8211; for a number of reasons, &#8211; in part &#8211; having to do with our atmosphere being a real three dimensional entity with air masses in constant motion, etc..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by citizenschallenge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 01:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Pangburn
&quot;Citizen,  Again you demonstrate that you lack knowledge of physics or any other science. What makes you think that you are qualified to even comment on this subject?&quot;
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I don&#039;t claim to know the physics, but I do recognize science that comes out of a vacuum chamber.  

And having spent a bit of time at your blog and tracking down various blog conversations of yours - I am qualified to notice that your science is VERY insulated; you have contempt for bona fide experts; and you never answer qualified critiques with a straight answer . . . instead winding up in some dog chasing tail dialogue that never advances - because you simply refuse to acknowledge what the experts have explained to you.

Yet, you expect to be taken seriously.

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Now there&#039;s one worth posting:
&quot;Ian Forrester:
Among scientific articles there are to be found not a few
wherein the logic and mathematics are faultless but which are for all that worthless, because the assumptions and hypotheses upon which the faultless logic and mathematics rest do not correspond to actuality.&quot;

Wilhelm Ostwald, Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, 1909]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Pangburn<br />
&#8220;Citizen,  Again you demonstrate that you lack knowledge of physics or any other science. What makes you think that you are qualified to even comment on this subject?&#8221;<br />
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<p>I don&#8217;t claim to know the physics, but I do recognize science that comes out of a vacuum chamber.  </p>
<p>And having spent a bit of time at your blog and tracking down various blog conversations of yours &#8211; I am qualified to notice that your science is VERY insulated; you have contempt for bona fide experts; and you never answer qualified critiques with a straight answer . . . instead winding up in some dog chasing tail dialogue that never advances &#8211; because you simply refuse to acknowledge what the experts have explained to you.</p>
<p>Yet, you expect to be taken seriously.</p>
<p>============================================<br />
Now there&#8217;s one worth posting:<br />
&#8220;Ian Forrester:<br />
Among scientific articles there are to be found not a few<br />
wherein the logic and mathematics are faultless but which are for all that worthless, because the assumptions and hypotheses upon which the faultless logic and mathematics rest do not correspond to actuality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wilhelm Ostwald, Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, 1909</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, i read your blog from time to time and i own a similar 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i read your blog from time to time and i own a similar<br />
one and i was just curious if you get a lot of spam<br />
remarks? If so how do you stop it, any plugin<br />
or anything you can recommend? I get so much lately it&#8217;s driving me crazy so any assistance is very much appreciated.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Among scientific articles there are to be found not a few 
wherein the logic and mathematics are faultless but which are for all that worthless, because the assumptions and hypotheses upon which the faultless logic and mathematics rest do not correspond to actuality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wilhelm Ostwald, Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, 1909]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Among scientific articles there are to be found not a few<br />
wherein the logic and mathematics are faultless but which are for all that worthless, because the assumptions and hypotheses upon which the faultless logic and mathematics rest do not correspond to actuality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wilhelm Ostwald, Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, 1909</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by Dan Pangburn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Citizen,
Again you demonstrate that you lack knowledge of physics or any other science. What makes you think that you are qualified to even comment on this subject?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen,<br />
Again you demonstrate that you lack knowledge of physics or any other science. What makes you think that you are qualified to even comment on this subject?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by citizenschallenge</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guess you still don&#039;t appreciate the concept of our &quot;global heat distribution engine&quot; with it&#039;s many varied circulation patterns, including those taking heat into the deeper ocean?

Guess you still don&#039;t understand the conception that we have increased the insulating ability of our atmosphere and Earth IS retaining more heat... 
simple physics - 

BUT, I know you.  

You got an alternate reality going on.

Yea, your &quot;science&quot; in a vacuum &quot;proves&quot; physicists don&#039;t know nothing about greenhouse gas physics; and that global warming is hoax... despite all the crazy weather thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess you still don&#8217;t appreciate the concept of our &#8220;global heat distribution engine&#8221; with it&#8217;s many varied circulation patterns, including those taking heat into the deeper ocean?</p>
<p>Guess you still don&#8217;t understand the conception that we have increased the insulating ability of our atmosphere and Earth IS retaining more heat&#8230;<br />
simple physics &#8211; </p>
<p>BUT, I know you.  </p>
<p>You got an alternate reality going on.</p>
<p>Yea, your &#8220;science&#8221; in a vacuum &#8220;proves&#8221; physicists don&#8217;t know nothing about greenhouse gas physics; and that global warming is hoax&#8230; despite all the crazy weather thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dan Pangburn by Dan Pangburn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Pangburn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atmospheric CO2 increase from 1800 to 2001 was 89.5 ppmv (parts per million by volume). The atmospheric carbon dioxide level has now increased since 2001 by 24.67 ppmv (an amount equal to 27.56% of the increase that took place from 1800 to 2001) (1800, 281.6 ppmv; 2001, 371.13 ppmv; March, 2013, 395.8 ppmv).

The average global temperature trend since 2001 is flat. (Some agencies say flat since 1997 see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?ito=feeds-newsxml )

No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 24.67 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001. 

The atmospheric CO2 level continues to go up while the average global temperature doesn’t. I wonder how wide this separation will need to get for some people to realize that they must not actually understand the science.

The above equation that elicited Greenfyre’s sarcasm has been refined. The refined version, can be seen at http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html . Using only one widely available measurement set, the refined equation calculates average global temperatures since before 1900 with 90% accuracy. Added atmospheric CO2 has no significant influence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atmospheric CO2 increase from 1800 to 2001 was 89.5 ppmv (parts per million by volume). The atmospheric carbon dioxide level has now increased since 2001 by 24.67 ppmv (an amount equal to 27.56% of the increase that took place from 1800 to 2001) (1800, 281.6 ppmv; 2001, 371.13 ppmv; March, 2013, 395.8 ppmv).</p>
<p>The average global temperature trend since 2001 is flat. (Some agencies say flat since 1997 see <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?ito=feeds-newsxml" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released&#8211;chart-prove-it.html?ito=feeds-newsxml</a> )</p>
<p>No amount of spin can rationalize that the temperature increase to 2001 was caused by a CO2 increase of 89.5 ppmv but that 24.67 ppmv additional CO2 increase had no effect on the average global temperature trend after 2001. </p>
<p>The atmospheric CO2 level continues to go up while the average global temperature doesn’t. I wonder how wide this separation will need to get for some people to realize that they must not actually understand the science.</p>
<p>The above equation that elicited Greenfyre’s sarcasm has been refined. The refined version, can be seen at <a href="http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html" rel="nofollow">http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html</a> . Using only one widely available measurement set, the refined equation calculates average global temperatures since before 1900 with 90% accuracy. Added atmospheric CO2 has no significant influence.</p>
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