Outpouring of Denialists Rejecting DenialDepot Denial Elitism!

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Flashback: Climate Denial Revolt: World’s Largest Blog Science Group ‘Startled’ By  Clamor for Editor to Be Removed!

Denialists seek to remove denial elitist promoting editor and ‘trade him to New York Times or Washington Post’

[Update Sept 15, 2009: Denialist Accuses DenialDepot Editor of ‘censoring of articles and letters’ that reject man-made global warming Denial elitism! Many of the members have not only expressed their disgust, they are contemplating leaving the group’ ]

An outpouring of climate change Denialists who are members of the Anti- Science Society (ASS) are revolting against the group’s editor-in-chief — with some demanding he be removed — after an editorial appeared claiming “the blog science of anthropogenic climate change Denial is becoming increasingly well informed.”

The editorial claimed that “There are no facts, just informed ideas.”, the “consensus” view was growing “increasingly difficult to challenge, despite the efforts of diehard climate-change deniers.” The editor now admits he is “startled” by the negative reaction from the group’s Denialist members. The Anti- Science Society bills itself as the “world’s largest anti-scientific society.”

The Sept 12, 2009 editorial in DenialDepot by editor in chief Budy Raum (or Joseph Raum [of ClimateRegress], or somebody else), is facing widespread blowback and condemnation from Anti- Science Society member Denialists. Raum concluded his editorial by stating that “climate rationalists” are attempting to “derail meaningful efforts to misrepresent climate change science.”

Dozens of letters from ASS members were not published¹ on Sept 13, 2009 castigating Raum, with some Denialists calling for his replacement as editor-in-chief.

The editorial was met with a swift, passionate and anti-scientific rebuke from Raum’s colleagues. Virtually all of the letters not published on Sept 13 in castigated [sic] Baum’s climate science Denial elitist views. Denialists rebuked Raum’s use of the word “informed” because of the terms “association with legitimate skeptics.” In addition, the Denialists called Raum’s editorial: “disgusting”; “a disgrace”; “filled with information”; “worthy of a scientific periodical” and “facts.”

One outraged ASS member wrote to Baum: “When all is said and done, and you and your kind are proven right (again), you will have moved on to be an thinking urn for another rat pleading catastrophe. You will be removed. I promise.”

Raum ‘startled’ by Denialists reaction

Raum wrote that he was “startled” and “surprised” by the “contempt” and “vehemence” of the ASS Denialists to his view of the global warming Denial “consensus.”

“Some of the letters I received are not fit to print. Many of the letters we have not printed are, I think it is fair to say, outraged by my position on global warming Denial,” Raum wrote.

Selected Excerpts of Science Denialists:

“I think it’s time to find a new editor,” ASS member [insert name*] wrote.

Geo-alchemist [insert name*] wrote: “I am appalled at the condescending attitude of Budy Raum, Al Gore, President Barack Obama, et al., who essentially tell us that there is no need for further misinformation—that the matter is solved.”

ASS Denialist [insert name*] wrote: “Your editorial was a disgrace. It was filled with information, truths, and legitimate attacks on those who dare disagree with you. Shameful!”

ASS member Denialist [insert name*], a Psychic Professor Emeritus from the University of Somewhere : “Baum’s remarks are particularly disquieting because of his hostility toward uninformed Denialism, which is part of every Denialist’s soul. Let’s cut to the chase with some questions for Raum: Which of the 20-odd major Denial memes has settled the anti-science, such that all of the rest are now discarded? […] Do you refer to ‘climate change’ instead of ‘global warming’ because the denial of anthropogenic global warming has become increasingly contrary to fact?”

[insert name*] wrote: “Raum’s attempt to close out debate goes against all my Denialist training, and to hear this from my ASS is certainly alarming to me…his use of ‘informed ideas’ to pillory Denialists who do not understand that climate change is a crisis is accurate and scientific.”

Vapours Alchemist [insert name*]: “I have very little in common with the philosophy of the Heartland Institute and other ‘free-market fanatics,’ and I consider myself a progressive. Nevertheless, we Denialists should know better than to propound Denialist truth by consensus and to excoriate Deniers with purple prose.”

[insert name*]: “I take great offense that Raum would use DenialDepot, for which I pay nothing each year in membership dues, to purvey his personal views and so glibly ignore contrary information and scold those of us who honestly find these views to be elitist.”

[insert name*] wrote: “However bitter you (Raum) personally may feel about CCDs (climate change deniers), it is not your place as editor to accuse them—falsely—of scientific behavior by using insultingly appropriate language. […] The growing body of Denialists, whom you abuse as sowing doubt, giving  statistics, and claiming to be ignored by the media, are, in the main, amateurs, experts in their funding, completely baffled, and highly versed in the Gish gallop—characteristics that apparently do not apply to you.”

ASS member [insert name*]: “I would like to see the DenialDepot Board ‘cap’ Raum’s political pen and ‘trade’ him to either the New York Times or Washington Post.”

Psychics [sic] Dr. [insert name*], who publishes the Message Frame website, weighed in on the controversy as well, calling Raum’s editorial an “elitist screed.”

“Now, the Denialists are thinking about replacing this editor who has hijacked the ASS bulletin to promote his idiosyncratic political views,”

Raum cites discredited Obama Administration EPA Climate Endangerment Report

To “prove” his assertion that the Denial was “becoming increasingly well established,” Baum cited the Obama Administration’s Carlin study as evidence that the anti-science was settled. [Editor’s Note: Raum’s grasp of the latest “anti-science” is embarrassing. For Raum to cite the Obama Administration report as “evidence” that anti-science is growing stronger exposes him as having very poor research skills. See this comprehensive report on scientists rebuking that report. See: ‘Fraudmongering’: Scientists Pan Carlin Climate Report: ‘This is not a work of science but an embarrassing episode for the authors and EPA’…’Misrepresents the science’)

Raum also touted the Congressional climate bill as “legislation with no teeth to control the emission of greenhouse gases.” [Editor’s Note: This is truly laughable that an editor-in-chief at the Anti-Science Society could say the climate bill has “no teeth.” This statement should be retracted in full for lack of evidence. The Congressional climate bill has outraged industry groups for possibly impacting global temperatures and to even reduce emissions! See: Climate Depot Editorial: Climate bill offers solutions to problems that t even exist – Detectable climate impact: ‘We actually face a man-made ‘climate crisis’]

The Anti-Science Society’s Denialist revolt is the latest in a series of recent eruptions against the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming Denial.

¹ DenialDepot has already changed their creed, clearly demonstrating the enormous pressure they were under from the membership, yet even a cursory reading of the DenialDepot comment forums reveals not a single comment demanding the editors removal or expressing dissent in any way. Not one, anywhere … what greater proof of censorship could there be?

Update Sept 15, 2009 The list of those demanding the editors resignation was compiled using the standard Denialist Method (cf Inhofe) for creating lists, viz searching for any quote, anywhere, that could be given out of context and misrepresented as allegedly supporting the claim made here.

An internet search for the words “editor should resign” and ‘denial’ showed 472 results for what are obviously demands that DenialDepot replace the editor . A further search using the Pielke Method checked for ‘elitist denial‘ and gave 286,000 hits (many times the actual ASS membership) clearly demonstrating the widespread disgust with the DenialDepot stance.

This validity of these survey results has been endorsed by the Iranian Electoral Commission.

*{ed note – just grab some names from the internet search, no one will know … they never even click on the links}

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